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Thread: The Existence

4111.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 28 Nov 2010 Sun 03:02 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

I used my grandfather as an example because you said something about old people all wanting to be young again and live more. In my experience (with my grandfather, but also his father, and other older people that I have watched) this is not always the case. Yes, there are older people who are like this. But people who are happy with what they have accomplished don´t want to go back in time.

 

 There are people like your grandfather who seem happy with their  achievements in the past. But what about majority? What can console people who think their lives are completely a failure or people who think if they had more time and energy they would do lots of things they always desired. Can death and being nothing console them? No on the contrary this will make them unhappy and depressed.Am I wrong?



Thread: The Existence

4112.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 27 Nov 2010 Sat 01:38 pm

I will write more about this issue when i have time.Keep following.



Thread: The Existence

4113.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 27 Nov 2010 Sat 01:29 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

 

I think a lot of what you say here is about unhappy people. The day my grandfather died he said he was proud of what he had done with his life, and he was ready to go. He was never a religious person, and he didn´t believe in god. He had a long life, he used it well, and he was done. Some people are happy with this, they don´t need to have more. He had raised his children well, all his grandchildren had also become adults with good jobs and happy lifes, and he even had wonderfull times with his great grandchildren. Perhaps it´s hard for some to believe, but he didn´t need the notion of heaven to be okay with the idea of death.

I don´t think "betting on God" is a win-win situation. Sometimes people use the idea of heaven to not do anything about making the world better today. They limit their good deeds to not creating a better world, but to getting "plus-points" on the scoreboard to heaven. Parying five times a day at home for plus-points, instead of going out in the real world and helping people... That is why I don´t count on the idea of heaven. If I would do that, I would accept all miserable things in life and not try to make them better. I would see life as a waiting room, instead of the wonder that it really is. I don´t want to live my life like that. I believe, if you get the best out of your life itself, you don´t need to believe in afterlife to be happy.

 We have different approaches to religions and afterworld concept. Here read this: http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_48678 

I dont want to talk after a dead person so I will not make a comment about your grandfather.



Thread: The Existence

4114.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 27 Nov 2010 Sat 01:23 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

Gokuyum, what you wrote sounds like accepting delusion only because it helps you do avoid the fear of dying. I suppose many older people suddenly turn very religious (regardless of the religion they follow) because they begin to be afraid of their mortality. And, rather than accept the fact that everything comes to an end, everything dies, they choose to believe in something that gives them hope of living forever. Yet, they fact they are afraid does not make the idea of God more real or more credible. It´s the same with people who were lost or ill, many of them claim that it was their faith that helped them to get back on the right path or to get better. This, however, is not a proof of god´s existence.

Faith is an individual matter and if it was possible to convince believers that god doesn´t exist or non-believers that god does exist, there wouldn´t be so many books, philosophical movements and religions. But there are So the only thing we can be sure of is that it is all up to interpretation. You either choose to accept there is a deity whose existence cannot be proven. Or you choose to reject a belief not supported by evidence

 

 I want to tell if believing a God makes people happy what is wrong with it? What if this world is some kind of an illusion can you prove the opposite? If you cant you should accept there is a possibility that you are the delusional one instead of believers.I guess we can only learn the truth when we die.



Thread: need help with clearly hearing this section of dizi..can u plz hear it and write for me what she say

4115.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 27 Nov 2010 Sat 10:30 am

 

Quoting deli

 

 

 You smashed my life into  pieces, you polluted my life, you threw mud, you took my dreams, you killed my feelings, you darkened my life,  I became pitch black, you took my everything ,you took whatever good there is within me??? ne varsa????? you left hate you are my greatest / biggest enemy

IM BORED SO I tried to translate it . I SEE NE VARSA all the time but dont know what it means

 You seem to know what it means because you translated it correctly. It means "whatever there is"

 



Thread: need help with clearly hearing this section of dizi..can u plz hear it and write for me what she say

4116.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 27 Nov 2010 Sat 08:01 am

Paramparça ettiniz hayatımı...kirlettiniz...çamura buladınız...hayallerimi aldınız...duygularımı öldürdünüz...hayatımı kararttınız...ben kapkara oldum... (...?) çaldınız ...herşeyimi aldınız... herşeyimi... içimde güzel ne varsa aldınız... nefret bıraktınız... siz benim en büyük düşmanlarımsınız...



Thread: The Existence

4117.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 27 Nov 2010 Sat 04:16 am

 

Quoting barba_mama

I disagree I don´t think everybody needs a god, and I also don´t think one has to be unhappy not knowing the reason for existence.

 

 Well if you say so, i respect you. But I believe you may change your opinion when you are old. Because people start to analyze their lives when they are old and judge themselves for what they did or didnt. And even the biggest achievements seem small and insignificant to them. The reason of this is people never satisfy with what they have or what they have done. We always want or to do more. This is our nature. I believe our sole purpose is to improve ourselves. When people get old they have less possibilities to improve themselves. They all want to live more and be young. But this is not possible. This sole fact can easily make them depressed and unhappy. But believing a God also means believing an afterlife. This means you will live and you wont be old anymore after you die. You can still improve yourself without a limit in a different way. All happiness in this world is temporary. Because everything has an end. But the thing human desires is endless happiness. And only possible way to get this is to bet on God. You will not lose anything but maybe you will gain everything.



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Thread: Behzat Ç.

4118.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 27 Nov 2010 Sat 02:00 am

 

Quoting scalpel

 

 

I will follow your recommendation and watch it

 

 

 I hope you will like it. Check ekşisözlük and see how many people like it like me.



Thread: Behzat Ç.

4119.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 27 Nov 2010 Sat 01:30 am

 

Quoting scalpel

I haven´t watched the serial yet, so I didn´t have any clue...Is it really that great as what you make of it?

 

 I dont watch TV. And there are only two Turkish Tv series I follow on internet. One of them is Behzat Ç. Especially Erdal Beşikçioğlu who plays Behzat Ç is a great actor. Behzat Ç is also a book adaptation. He is a character created by author Emrah Serbes. Here are the books: Her Temas İz Bırakır and Son Hafriyat. Especially first episode of the series is like a movie. I recommend it.



Thread: Behzat Ç.

4120.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 26 Nov 2010 Fri 01:30 pm

Behzat Ç. is one of the greatest Turkish TV series. It is very realistic. The language that characters use is street language and we often hear many beep sounds when they talk. Series is about a police commissioner´s and his team members´ lives and their struggles to solve mysterious murder cases. The police commissioner´s name is Behzat Ç. He is some kind of an anti-hero. He prefers to use torturing to make criminals speak and he has no respect to his superiors. He got divorced long time ago and his daughter committed suicide to get revenge from him because he arrested his lover because of carrying drugs. He met with his first love (who didn´t want to marry with him when she learned he will be a police when they were young) again after her daughter´s death. She is a leftwinger and she has still doubts about polices. Behzat still loves her.

Behzat´s team members are Harun, Hayalet (ghost) and Akbaba (condor). They call one other with their nicknames for so long time they even don´t remember each other´s real names. Harun is a funny character who eats too much. But he is the one who holds up Behzat as an example most. He also uses torture to make criminals speak. He loves Eda who is a police secretary. But Eda loves another police whose name is Selim. Harun doesn´t want to accept this. He always argues with Selim. Hayalet is a quiet type. He is from a poor family and emphasizes with people easily. Akbaba is older than Harun and Hayalet. Solving murder cases is an obsession for him. He always listens his radiotelephone to catch a new murder news even at nights he is not on duty.

But this TV series have a huge rating problem. It hasn´t become popular. Last week´s rating results show this clearly. It is 16. program on its day in rating grading scales. Many fans started weeks ago to warn the channel which airs it not to end the show. And rumors say channel gave a three episode chance to series. I hope it will not be canceled.



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