Actually I didn't read all of the discussion, as I'm a lazy ass bitch English is not my native language and though my mum was born in England, I was only raised in Dutch. The reason my English became quite well is because I had lots of internet contacts, especially Kadir! Though he never intended too and though his English isn't perfect, he had a good vocabulary and the practise made my English improve.

I read one point being made about 'your' instead of 'you're' and 'you are'. Actually, that's because when you think, it goes faster than you can type. But when you speak, the difference in time between what you say and what you think, is smaller. When you type, there will be more chance that you write down what you HEAR in your head so 'we're' and 'were' and 'you're' and 'your'and they're and their will be easily confused in written language. And also.. the way we speak to each other on the forums doesn't necessarily have to be so formal. When I compare my DUtch usage to that of my friends, I talk proper and educated, but this is mainly because my dad is a teacher Dutch, so all my life I heard the correct ways and got corrected whenever I was wrong.

Anyway, I think the whole 'my friend and I' point was kinda exegarated (i have no idea how to spell this word, PLEASE someone tell me), especially to say it's uneducated. On the other hand, i know that in Dutch I would never say 'me and my friend'.. Because there is one point.. it definitely hás to do with laziness about the language you use, and Bod is right..the 'moral' for language is going down.

Another point I'd like to make.. I agree that all the Turkish slang is confusing for learners.. but let's be honest.. in the posts where we can réally learn something, slang is barely ever used. I can figure which member you refer to, and that member uses slang mostly in personal discussions. I for myself like to learn slang in Turkish too. Not because I'm really the type to use it, I prefer full, proper spoken language.. but it remains a dimension of Turkish and I just wanna learn.

I know what you referred to, and they were just jokes!

And if you want to learn, then you shouldn't feel offended if someone tells you that you spelled askim incorrect. You probably knew, but just didnt use the special characters, but if you wanna learn, these are what you have to deal with.

And I can relate to the september joke It was a good one And you won't be fluent by september. Nor will I, though just like you, I'll go to my love in September too. But we'll just work hard and see where we end, won't we?

What a nice, friendly girl you are !


I think Bod's point was not the one you took like a patronizing and insulting message, i guess he tried to say that if you don't speak any Turkish yourself and didn't even/couldn't try to translate yourself, you should not get angry at people who in most cases help everybody here as fast as they can.

Sezen Aksu - Hasret