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Thread: bağladıkları

781.       erdinc
2151 posts
 07 May 2006 Sun 07:57 pm

Quoting mamamia:

Tutamaklarda çocukların evcilik oynarken bağladıkları renkli basma artıklarını gördü.

Belongs tutamamaklarda to renkli basma?? Are the colors disappeared?? What are the childeren doing on the picture?? but most of all bağlıdıkları, to what it belongs grammaticaaly in this sentence??? Thanks, o, thanks!



Translation:
She/he saw the colourful cheap fabric remnants that the kids tied on the banisters when playing house.

Vocabulary:
Tutamaklarda : on the banisters
(tutamak : banister)
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Actually "merdiven korkulukları" would be better. I would build the sentence as "Merdiven korkuluklarında çocukların evcilik oynarken bağladıkları renkli basma parçalarını gördü."

çocukların : the kids'
çocuk: child
evcilik : playing house
oynarken : as they were playing
oynamak: to play
bağladıkları : the things that they have tied
bağlamak: to tie
renkli : colourful
basma : a cheap fabric
artıklarını : the remnants of something
artık: remnant
gördü: saw
görmek: to see



Thread: Short phases - 1

782.       erdinc
2151 posts
 07 May 2006 Sun 01:47 am

Quoting bod:

Quoting erdinc:

If you want to be more formal "alır mısınız?" or "alır mıydınız?" is better.



Why would you put the question in the past tense ???



Hi Bod,
The formal offerings "alır mısınız?" and "alır mıydınız?" are both second person plural. This is why they are more formal.

1. (Sen) Bir çay daha alır mısın?
2. (Siz) Bir çay daha alır mısınız?
3. (Sen) Bir çay daha alır mıydın?
4. (Siz) Bir çay daha alır mıydınız?

Both 2 and 4 are polite offerings. 1 and 3 are informal. You need to be at the same age or older and at the same time close to that person to speak in "sen" mood.

Lets assume we have only "siz" mood (plural second person) and different tenses. Lets's compare them:

On reply 45 I mentioned that present continuous tense was possible but was too weak for offerings.

5. Bir çay daha istiyor musunuz?
6. Bir çay daha ister misiniz?
7. Bir çay daha ister miydiniz?

These sentences are all correct. Among them number 5 is the weakest. 6 and 7 are very well build and 7 is more polite than 6. Why is this so? Because aorist tense with past tense mood is fictional. The person who is offering is indifferent on 7. You leave it completely up to the guest. On the other hand on number 6 you are more kind of happy to serve.

My suggestion is to forget about all these details. If you study Turkish grammar rules you might end up learning more rules than a mathematics professor would learn during his studies. Dialogues and reading texts are are the way to follow.

When you read a dialogue or any other text I would say if you understand it 50% then continue with other dialogues and never study any grammar. But check the dictionary as many times as you want.

There are some dialogues in our practice forum.



Thread: Diyemedik, grammar question!

783.       erdinc
2151 posts
 06 May 2006 Sat 04:22 pm

Diyemedik means "we couldn't say". The "e" in bold is the inabilitative suffix.

Here are a few more examples:

gitmedik: we didnt go
gidemedik: we couldn't go

satın almadık : we didn't buy
satın alamadık : we couldn't buy

görmedik : we didn't see
göremedik : we couldn't see



Thread: dialogues - diyaloglar

784.       erdinc
2151 posts
 05 May 2006 Fri 07:42 pm

Yes, of course we can. I will try it after work if other haven't done so.



Thread: Namus derdi bir derde benzemiyor

785.       erdinc
2151 posts
 05 May 2006 Fri 06:19 pm

Quote:

Is it possible that such kind of party is currently in charge in Turkey!? Are they elected by free election?



Yes they were elected on free elections on 3 November 2002. They got 34% of total votes and they have 65% of the parliamentaries with these votes. It is tricky isn't it? All this is a result of playing with the election laws.

The reason why they got 34% of votes is not that these voters have choosen them because they are Islamic but because of corruption. The normal right wing parties ANAP and DYP are so corrupted nobody wanted to vote for them again.

ANAP and DYP were and still are full with bussinessmen who were keen on governmental funds. Some of these bussinessmen were owners of big banks. Sometimes the owner was a relative and not the parliamentary himself.

The banks were giving all the money they have collected from public as credits to their own companies and when the bank was bankrupt the government had to pay the money to account holders.

Unfortunately our justice department has been always extremely week. They got away with this, leaving us country in huge debts to foreign countries. We are still paying these debts and usually we are only paying the interest of these debts because they are so big. This is why the sallaries are so low and why education and health departments work so bad. The main reason is corruption, bad justice system and huge debts.

Currenty the Islamic party is not very bad on economics. They know very well that this is what people care. People care on the taxes and their salaries. Also they care for prices and inflation rate. There is improvement on all these economical indicators. While they are improving the economics they keep doing their own bussiness as well.

They are not very dangerous in short term but I think they are investing for the future when they will become stronger.

On the other hand the justice department remains still very weak. A bussinessmen who has tricked the state billions of dollars will get just a years sentence or two and no economical punishment at all.
We don't have economical punishmenst for economical crimes.



Thread: Parçaları savrulur gider de

786.       erdinc
2151 posts
 05 May 2006 Fri 12:58 pm

Parçaları savrulur gider de, kimi kimsesi yok diyerekten hesabını bile vermezler.

Here is my version. It would be nice to see other translations. I like doing the translations as much as I like them comparing to others'. Is this a car that the text is about?

Its pieces are thrown everywhere yet nobody takes even any responsibility, telling that noone cares for it.



Thread: 4 words

787.       erdinc
2151 posts
 05 May 2006 Fri 12:21 pm

"SIKTI INAN SIKILDIM ARTIK INAN BANA"
"It is getting boring now believe me I'm bored."


Please notice that I have translated as you have written it as "sıktı" (has bored). If it were "Sıtkı" than it would be a man's name.



Thread: makara, basma satan adamın çıngırağı

788.       erdinc
2151 posts
 05 May 2006 Fri 12:06 pm

Hi mamamia,
Derya has already translated your sentence very well. I guess you are studying some suffixes.

As you see the dışaıdan has the -dan suffix which is the ablative case and means from. Here are all five noun states of it:

1. nominative: dışarı - no suffix
2. dative: dışarıya -e,-a (buffer y after a vowel)
3. accusative: dışarıyı -ı -i -u -ü (buffer y after a vowel)
4. locative: dışarıda -de -da
5. ablative: dışarıdan -den -dan

We pick the correct suffix according vowel harmony rules. Feel free to ask your grammar questions in our language forum.

BTW, our foreign members can try themselves on this exercise:

Apply the five noun states to any of the following nouns:
1. okul
2. ev
3. göl
4. konu
5. Ankara
6. Türkiye or 6. Türkçe
7. Ali



Thread: Namus derdi bir derde benzemiyor

789.       erdinc
2151 posts
 05 May 2006 Fri 10:38 am

Some time ago there was a honor killing in Germany. A Turkish girl was killed by her brothers. The youngest brother admitted the crime and was continuously telling that he did it alone. The father was not even arrested.

Unfortunately we know that this is not true. According the traditions of extremist Islamists a family commission (aile meclisi) of older male members needs to decide for the killing. The commission includes all adult male members who are relatives at first or second degree e.g. brothers, father, uncles and grandfather.

Unfortunately in the few cases in Germany and in hundreds of cases in Turkia none of the members of these family commissions were prosecuted. They admittedly let the crime done by the youngest boy for reducing the jail sentences.

Our İslamic party which is currently in charge instead fighting back to these traditions tried to intruduce a law for those young killers to reduce their very short jail sentences even more if the killing was a honor killing. They didn't succeed to pass through that law from our parliament but this clearly shows how Islamic politicians think on honor killings.

Unfortunately the extremist Islamic lifestyle consists of a life where brothers are killing their sisters and yet there are still so many supporters of these extremists in our country.

Here is the story of that girl in Germany who was forced by her family to marry a cousin (another sick tradition of conservative lifestyle in Turkia). When she divorced she was killed by her brothers:

"The Whore Lived Like a German"



Thread: Namus derdi bir derde benzemiyor

790.       erdinc
2151 posts
 04 May 2006 Thu 03:44 pm

"Namus derdi başka bir derde benzemiyor." or "Namus derdi hiç bir derde benzemiyor." can be translated as follows:

"A honor problem is not like any other problem."

Translator's Note:
Usually some problematic people make statements like this. "Namus" in this particular phrase not only refers to somebody's own honor but moreover it refers to the honor of people that person is responsible for. In Eastern part of the country we have some problems with non-Turkish ethnical backgrounds. People are killing their female relatives according some traditions related to honor e.g sex usually as it is understood by them. They think a female deserves to be killed for having sexual relationship with somebody without marriage. Another reason for honor killings are divorces. Of course our government is fighting with them but sentences are not enough to prevent honor crimes. Usually the older male members of the family let it done by a younger boy to reduce the jail sentence.

Usually it is the kind of people who are ready to commit a honor crime that would say such a statement that you quoted. It is also usually the most unethical and extremist people who start talking a lot about honor. Honor doesn't need to be mentioned aloud. People will see it in your actions if it is there.



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