No punctuation, informal & tons of slang and errors etc. make it hard to transşate so I´ll go with a summary:

Basically he is asking his uncle not to send those kind of messages as his gf/wife is checking his stuff and he doesn´t want to cause some sort of problem.

1) Bu şarkı çok güzel. (Bu şarkısı çok güzel is correct if what you want to mean is "this song (of him/her, from him/her) is very beautiful"

2) Sen beni unuttun ama ben seni unutmadım.

3) Merhaba arkadaşlar sizi çok seviyorum

The claim that Kurds were in Anatolia before Turks is just wrong, it´s a propaganda for legitimazing their motive. Btw. Kurdish separatists really have to choose one of these contradicting claims:

- Whenever they feel like it they argue real Turkics are %x in Anatolia (give 3, 5, 9, 20 etc. for x) which would mean most Turks are native to the land.

- Yet they also argue they were here before Turks, and Turks came from C.A.

Aside from that, neither Turks were here from the start nor Kurds. Most Kurdish populated areas of today belonged to Armenians and Assyrians. They were gradually replaced in some areas by first Turkmen arrivals, do not forget that Diyarbakir was once the capital of a Turkish Atabegh state.

Anyway; what really defined the ethnic makeup of the region was Ottoman´s policy against Alevite Turkmens around the time of Yavuz and later on. Alevite Turkmens were killed or exiled or had to assimilate, whilst Kurds, being sunni, were encouraged to push into their former lands. Armenian deportation/genocide/whatever was the final significant event that also contributed to kurdish expansion. In the end, the region is very mixed today, Kurds, Zaza, Turkmen, Arabs, assimilated/converted Assyrians, Armenians, other ancient people etc.

However one thing is certain, although there has been significant effort by Kurdish institutes in Europe, Kurdish claims on the heritage of ancient peoples of the region such as Urartu were never accepted by any scientific authority. Thus saying "Kurds were there before" is a completely baseless claim, please prove it otherwise if you have the sources.

Aside from that, Mylo´s words are correct, there have been Kurdish immigration, even as close as the time of Gulf war when 500.000 Kurds of Northern Iraq who fled from Saddam were granted Turkish citizenship by Ozal. These people are estimated to be around 2 millions of population by now.

This alone proves that Turkish state has not had any negative population policy against Kurds, yet it has to from now on by the look of things. They should start by kicking out these 2 million people back to Barzani´s laps, then they should detect pseudo-leftist European immigrants of dubious Turkish heritage posing as Turks and pay a visit to them.

Şimdi ofisteyim, müzik dinleyemem.

listen to / dinlemek is not used with -e. In the case of "listening to music" / müzik dinlemek, it doesn´t get -i either.

However, it can be used with -i as "müziği dinliyorum" if you want to imply that you are listening to THE music, rather than simply listening to music.

This was a wrong move. Greece has to cut on defense spending due to its economic situation anyway, we could have used this opportunity to force a diplomatic solution for the Aegean problem. Don´t get me wrong, I have no problem with Greek people, neither do I enjoy taking advantage of such a calamity however this ridiculous scheme of making Turkey landlocked in the Aegean has to come to an end. Yet our pm chose to play the benevolent sultan, unbelievable.

This was a charter of European council, thus it concerns EVERY SINGLE PERSON in Europe, in fact in the whole western world.

Let us examine this deceit more closely:

So basically we have a country, France, who is a member of E.U and thus bound by its laws and legislations. It has signed but not ratified this particular charter, and it´s waiting for its regional languages to die slowly, most of them are in endangered and dying status anyway. Any sanction or enforcement from E.U? Nope. Any public concern voiced against this? Well I haven´t heard but some Europeans are rather busy throwing **** on Turks from their self claimed moral high grounds so that is expectable.

As I said in my previous post, everybody should clean their own doorsteps first.

1st one:

I think you were too sincere and cruel in the last quarrel,I didn´t tell you to leave your boyfriend and come to me! And every sentence that comes out of your mouth shows that you have not forgotten about your ex, maybe he cared more about you than I do, maybe he loved you more! (And you had to leave him for an animal like me, who is not worth it) And I get the impression that I mean nothing to you anymore, I can´t shake this feeling. I believe you will acknowledge this? Besides, your mom will have to stay alone, it´s not worth it to leave her alone for me. You always tell me I ruined your life. I have started to feel as if I am a vicious person, I dont have the strength to get it out of my head or bear it. Good night cotton hearted baby. (this doesn´t really translate well, pamuk kalp = heart soft as cotton etc.)

Then you didn´t understand anything at all

"Kiss your mother for me and tell her that I wish her a happy mother´s day"

Ah.. Them evil Turks and their backwards fascist ways. Why wouldn´t they follow European Standards?

Language Policy in France:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_France

"In 1999 the Socialist government of Lionel Jospin signed the Council of Europe’s European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages, but it was not ratified. The Constitutional Council of France declared that the implementation of the Charter would be unconstitutional since the Constitution states that the language of the Republic is French."

"According to French republican ideology (see also Laïcité), all citizens are equal and therefore no groups may exercise extra rights"

Sounds familiar?

"Teaching in regional languages is not supported by the state, despite popular demand asking for recognition of the regional languages."

France´s endangered languages:

"In the 1950s, more than one million people spoke Breton as their main language. The countryside in western Brittany was still overwhelmingly Breton-speaking. Today, about 250,000 people are able to speak Breton (one-sixth of the population in the region), most of whom are elderly. Other regional languages have generally followed the same pattern; Alsatian and Corsican have resisted better, while Occitan has followed a still-worse trend."

Note: I am not trying to say "hey, French do it so we can", rather "Herkes kendi kapısının önünü süpürsün".

Here "hayatım" does not have its actual meaning "my life", it´s a way of addressing loved ones & family & friends etc, along the lines of "sweety, honey". Also verime -> yerime, mispelled.

"Sweety it´s ok, I realized you were busy. I will call and ask, don´t worry. I missed talking to you. Kiss nathan for/on behalf of me."

Good luck Russians is all I can say, unfortunately our perception of the Russian people seems to be weird and wrong.

Merhaba;

Kusura bakma iletişimimiz koptu. Çok meşguldüm, okul, ödevler, bir yandan çalışıp bir yandan Nathan´a bakmak vs. yüzünden durup kimseye birşeyler yazacak zamanım olmadı!Umarım iyisindir. Görüyorum ki bir erkek arkadaşın var, nasıl gidiyor? Hala bu yaz seni görmek istiyorum ama dediğim gibi, davetiye yazmak bir yana en ufak bir şey yapamadım. Lütfen babana davetiyede neler olması gerektiğini sorup bana söyler misin? İnternetten baktım ama bir kaç farklı şeyin gerektiğini gördüm. Siz bana söyleseniz sanki daha iyi olacak, gerekli olan herşeyi eklerim böylece de sorun olmaz. Bu yaz gelebilmen için biraz geç kalmış olabiliriz ama umarım öyle değildir! Görüşürüz. xoxo

Np. Trudy, when was I gone?

After some googling it turns out to be some lines from a poem of Küçük İskender. (Some gay poet or something afaik, I am not being homophobic that´s the only thing I know about him lol). Anyway; it´s not clear if you also want translation so I am skipping it .

Vague for me too, you will have to know the context probably. Something along the lines: "Where did this(thing or topic etc.) come up, except it´s connotation of affection" (? lol terrible probably)

Sevgili (name),

Son mektubuna/şiirine nasıl cevap versem diye uzun süre düşündüm.

Donmanı istemiyorum

Yanmanı istemiyorum

Dostluğuna önem veriyorum

Artık beni ziyaret etmesen bile

Lütfen arkadaşım olarak kal.

Sevgilerle (name)

"Erzurum´a yakın mı?" or "Erzurum´un yakınında mı?"

Saat dokuza iki var. Or you could simply say "Dokuza iki var".

Would a person "beep" his/her friend / Would it be appropriate for a person to beep his/her friend. This is not really a question, rather implying and mocking. Beep = censor sound, I guess it´s clear what word it replaces

You can send it to me but I can only translate in pieces if it´s long.

I don´t see anything wrong with posting this, however I think the area and the ethnicity involved should have been clearly mentioned. I have said this before in threads about honor killings, passing these off simply as "Turkish" is misleading.

Aside from that, let´s examine this incident to see why it´s not really a regular rape case like those spritzer posted.

-First of in small cities like this, people know eachother. Considering how many suspects are involved, probably hundreds or even thousands of people knew about it, no one did anything.

- At least several "honor killing" incidents seem to occur in said city per year. You can make a simple google search to verify this. It´s highly probable that if one of the victims had a boyfriend she would be killed.

-People of this region are known for their claims of how religious they are, their high moral values, how all their women wear hijabs bla bla. Many also claim they are seyids (descendants of prophet Muhammad). You would probably not be able to eat something in the street in Ramadan without geting attacked. Latest (March 2009) election results from said city:

- DTP (Kurdish separatist party): 49.4

- AKP (Religious(?) party): 45.8

- Rest: <5%

- A few days after this incident, another one surfaced where a group of YIBO school students raped 2 toddlers, killing one. Same city, this time Pervari district.

- After these two incident, major of the city made a public announcement along the lines of "Leave our city alone".

- R.T. Erdoğan, our current president, has been elected to the parliament from this city, with huge support. Also his wife happens to be from the same city. He has expressed some discomfort in these issues having widespread public attention.

- In a few months time the first case will be dismissed as it has gone beyond a certain time limit (zaman aşımı, don´t know it in English). There seems to be some effort to make this happen, from shady religious fanatic organizations of the region and their political accomplices.

As you can see, this is not really a simple rape case. This is one of the darkest moments in the history of mankind. Had this happened in biblical times, it´s story would not have been different than the stories of Sodom and Gomorrah. Unfortunately, those miracles don´t happen anymore. Of course you can always emulate it by quarantining the city and carpet bombing it till nothing is breathing. Just my two cents.

"ölüyorum" = I am dying

"oluyorum" = I am becoming (sth).

Could be either, might be using non-Turkish keyboard.

AKP and its "Ummah" delusions.. Hopefully this channel will die soon.

Here is an explanation I think that might work:

First of all both "Rica ederim" and "Rica ediyorum" have the primary meaning of "I request, I implore", only in different tenses. Simply put, it´s a way of saying "please".

"Rica ederim"on the other hand, is also a common way to say "you´re welcome", however this is not random or totally unrelated to its primary meaning. Consider the scenario where someone expresses gratitude towards you:

-Çok sağol. (Thanks)

-Rica ederim(You´re welcome)

Now think it along the lines:

-Thanks. (Teşekkürler)

-Oh please, do not even mention it / it was nothing. (Rica ederim, önemli değil)

Or simply:

-Oh please. (Rica ederim)

I think it is more clear now where that comes from. It´s simply the "please" part of phrases such as "Please don´t even mention it", "please, it was nothing", which over time has become a common usage. same thing applies to English as well.

Her gün seni düşünüyorum.

Sounds ok.

Quoting bdminnesota

oha cussss yuhhh, ahtapot muyum ben de elim kolum oraya uzansin

bosuna heveslenme, her emrah´in eti yenmes

(in very informal way). Whoa, I am not an octopus to have my arms reach that far Don´t get excited, not every Emrah(name) is edible.

(Literal translation does not make sense, this is a proverb. "Her kuşun eti yenmez" = Not every bird is edible, means you can´t have everything / everyone you want. Probably he is trying to say you can not entice him on this matter)

I don´t think "state" here is related with it´s meaning fx. in "United States", hence that translation is a little off.

"Yolları eski haline döndürmeleri yasal bir zorunluluk mu?" = "Is it a legal obligation that they need to restore the roads to their original state". (If this is what you were trying to say)

Hey Muti(name), is thieving the type of thing that suits you? You seem to have copied that text instantly.

Small correction:

Bu aşk böyle bitemez = This love can´t end in such a way.

"A love like this can´t end" would be "Böyle bir aşk bitemez".

Anladığım kadarıyla Ankara´da bulunan Kanada Büyükelçiliğindeki G****´den bir mektup almışsınız. Bu mektubu faks ile ya da tarayıcıdan geçirip email yoluyla çeviri için bana göndermeniz mümkün mü? Acaba istedikleri polis sertifikasının İngilizce´ye çevrilmesi gerekiyor mu? Eğer öyleyse, geçen ay bana yolladığınız arşiv dokümanı bende, bunu burada Kanada´da çevirtip büyükelçiliğe yollayabilirim.

A day came when I finally got a hold of myself and said enough. Thus those that I´ve left behind must not dare to question me. You were there because I was aware of your existence, now that I´ve given up on you, you don´t exist anymore. Thus; you know what you should do? Draw a circle in the ground and play in it by yourselves.

(May need improvement)

If you are talking to the departed persons relatives, you would say "Başınız sağolsun".

You can use these referring to the departed person:

Allah rahmet eylesin = May god have mercy on his/her soul.

Mekanı cennet olsun = May he reside in heaven.

Nur içinde yatsın = May he rest in the holy light.

(Note: Alameda "Allah razı olsun" isn´t used for departed people. It was my translation for that whole English sentence where you first thanked another person then expressed condolences. It roughly means "May god bless you (a way to express gratitude for some favor/good deed that you have done)")

Dear Lemon;

First of all I want to apologize if I have offended you, I don´t want a conversation based on exhanging insults, I don´t have any personal problem with you.

And contrary to what you think I am not anybody´s brother, nor would I enjoy ganging up on someone. In fact I recently had a very serious fight here with upsy_daisy, I think moderators will vouch for the truth of my words.

Anyway; here is why I got furious by reading your post:

First of all, is there even a single person on earth that worships the Greek Pantheon anymore? It´s so clear that this is just a historical / touristic monument, where did all that "Pagan Temple in a Muslim country" stuff come from? Besides how come anyone not be aware of other religious worship places that already exist in Turkey, I mean come on; there is an Orthodox Patriarchy in Istanbul!

To be honest; at times I really think you have a bone to pick with Turkish people, I am talking by my limited experience here. Just the other day I posted something from a blog(which was incorrect) and you replied along the lines of: "You Turks are notorious for these kind of fake stories". I don´t remember it exactly but I am sure of the phrase "You Turks". I mean can you tell me why I am the nationalist here but not someone who lumps every Turk out there with phrases like "You Turks bla bla"?

My conclusion is; if you have a bone to pick; it´s OK. I am not proud of it but I have my own prejudices against some people too, so I can not judge you on this one. But just let´s be honest, please stop this whole righteous act when it´s so obvious that you are not. It´s not like people are going to chase you with sticks or anything. I for once prefer a forum with varied and even extreme points of view vs a forum full of the usual Turkish self boasting / glorification.

My regards.

Bu İrlanda´da özel bir gün. Herkese iyi şans, sağlık ve mutluluk dileriz. Aynısını senin için de diliyorum. Benim için Dünyalar´a değersin. Aziz Patrick günün(St. Patrick´s Day) kutlu olsun.

(I could not translate "you mean the world to me" accurate enough, open to suggestions)

What does it have to do with this thread?!??

(Joking Tbh. I have not heard of anything about that restoration project, I just wanted to say sorry for hijacking your thread)

1)

There is not much difference for Islam, all are heresy. Moreover, from a historical point of view, pagan beliefs posed a threat for Islam only for a short time in its birth phase in the Arabian peninsula (that´s why it´s emphasized in Kur´an), whilst Christians have been an archnemesis for Turks for the past millenium. One would expect more intolerance directed at their worship places; say, one like the destruction of nearly all Ottoman Churches in the Balkans by our tolerant Christian overlords.

 

2)

-MERYEM ANA SURYANI KADIM KILISESI: (Mother Mary Suryani Ancient Church) Built in 1960 in Beyoglu / Istanbul.

-NEVE SALOM SINAGOGU: (Neva Shalom Synagogue): Built in 1951 in Kuledibi / Istanbul.

 

-Plus many others were restored or rebuilt in the last century, like Anglican Church or Surp Krikor Armenian church and many more. You may need google translate for this but here goes: http://www.istanbullife.org/kilise_ve_sinagoglar.htm

 

More importantly, yes most have been built before Turkish Republic was founded but still nearly all of them have been built in Ottoman era, which was Muslim.

Ahh, that wonderful biased and clueless point of view which I am used to hearing from people whose reference for a "Muslim country" is only Iran or Saudi Arabia.

- There are a lot of Churches and Synagogues in Turkey. You don´t have to search secluded corners for them, just take a walk in İstiklal avenue that lies at the center of İstanbul.

- Although there are a lot more native and immigrant Muslims in Greece, building a mosque in Athens has been a taboo for around half a century and is still being negotiated fiercely atm. Greece is a European Union member. (I am not bashing Greece in particular here, just the hypocrisy)

I actually started taking sick pleasures from oh so tolerant Westerners lecturing us, please don´t stop!

You are trying to find one to one correspondence between two sentences which are totally different in structure.

Let´s go by literal translation: Benim iki yaşında bir kızım var: "Mine two years old daughter exists" -> There exists a two years old daugter of mine. Now you should be able to understand where that "mine" comes from.

Similarly, if one was to translate the English sentence to Turkish: I have a 2 years old daughter -> Ben 2 yaşında bir kıza sahibim. (Not really common)

Where you use "I have xxx", we use "benim xxxim var" but they are totally different in structure. If you go around trying to find one to one literal relations all the time; you will run into a lot of problems.

1) OK for God´s sake, take it, let it be yours.

2) Anyway, I´ve changed my mind, I have more beautiful ones. The slang "anasını satayım" (which I translated as for God´s sake, not really accurate, lit. means to sell ones mother) doesn´t suit you.

3) Bro(or sister), it´s nice to see Turkish comments under your photo. You are beautiful too, regards.

4) My dear bro/sis, thanks, I also have comments in other languages too.

This post is making me uncomfortable, so arrogant, so wrong on many levels.

Easy there pal. I too don´t acknowledge her post but give her a break people. It should be obvious by now but she is a troubled young person and being gullible is not a crime.

(Plus, you don´t have the right to question why a member is on this site, don´t be so rude.)

I think "Hayırlı işler" shouldn´t be translated as "good work". Good work to me means, "You did a good job out there" or something (correct me if wrong) but "hayırlı işler" is a wish, something like "may you have a nice/productive work day".

"artık o arkadaki bina yok gençler" =  That building in the back doesn´t exists anymore, boys. (Gençler = (lit. youngsters, youths) slang, used when addressing a group of young people. Doesn´t have gender but the closest thing I could think of was "boys")

Merhaba Özge. Mesajını gördüğüm için çok mutlu oldum. İngilizcen çok iyi! Teşekkürler, ben de hepinizi çok özledim. Tekrar oraya gelip sizleri görmek için haziranı iple çekiyorum. Kendine iyi bak.

Change, why? To become what in the end? It´s their good and bad qualities, together, that define the people called Turks(or any other group out there). Self-praising, self-glorification, unjustified pride, thinking they are different from every other people out there or whatever, these are an integral part of Turkish identity. Take, for example; being overprotective and jealous of ones woman. It is appreciated as a masculine attribute and is a huge turn on for many foreign women although they wouldn´t admit it (some do, you can read it up in the forums). But when it comes to being overprotective of ones country and nationality, is it suddenly a no-no ?. Well maybe both comes with the package and are somehow connected

Anyway; take all these features that you find Eastern/Backwards/Meaningless in Turkish people and replace them with Western values, you won´t have "perfect" Turks in the end, you will have swarthier Europeans. I for one, am not interested.

(Turks getting humiliated, Turks arguing with Turks, Turks exchanging phone numbers & adresses to beat each other up, I can´t see how this is triggering any change btw. Looks pretty old school to me. )

Honest question Lemon, I am not really trying to offend or anything, just expecting an honest answer. Why do I get the impression that you are actually enjoying this ?

I will have to disagree inter;

How about demographics, did you factor it in? The increase in population, or any change in the number of people who are in a sexually active age group?

Did you factor in the increase in the number of households which have internet access?

That statistic only says "Search for the term ensest is on the rise", not perversion is spreading nor people are getting more perverted.

@Interregister:

What am I supposed to think by looking at that search trend result for "ensest" ? That Turkey is at top? Yeah; but "ensest" is a loan word derived from "incest" and probably only exists in Turkish, that´s natural. Or that Turks seach about incest? Yep, but in this case this is not an objective comparative result that proves we search"more about it. Can you clarify this for me please?

Besides there is a perfectly fine explanation why Turkish people are a little obsessed over sex. We try to live our daily-lives by the western standards, having late marriages, being exposed to sexual freedom in our media etc. However we also try to retain Eastern moral values, marriage before sex is a taboo, virginity is a taboo, sex = sin etc. As a result there are a lot of youths out there who see it all the time, but can not get it. And they head for internet for porn, simple as that. Or they desperately try to get it on with foreign women, who do not have these taboos.

In the end, even if we are really perverted and deviants, it´s ok I am not ashamed. It´s what we are.

Upsy don´t you think you are taking it too far, exposing private conversations?Did I ever do that to you?

(Just for clarification: I never claimed I was THE highest or anything like that. I claimed (after telling me and some other guy in chat that we were dumb and not worthy of conversation, and a discussion that followed these events) I could show you a certificate for an IQ test, along with results of nation-wide exams that I had taken and awards I´ve received. Probably sounds wierd but I don´t think there are many ways to come up with solid data about if a person is dumb or not. Anyway; this offer is still valid btw. but you have to provide me something too so that I can understand why you so vehemently think you are better than other people)

Sorry upsy, I can´t deal with all this drama, I was hesitating to go in the chat but now it seems I can´t even post some translations.

I don´t know who to mail about this but a moderator will probably see this post; I am demanding my account to be deleted for personal reasons, Thank you & take care all.

1st: "The feeling of being dragged in even more while trying to stay away from Objet Petit a." (Objet Petit a = object of desire, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objet_petit_a). Note that this is not literal translation, a proverb "Yağmurdan kaçarken doluya tutulmak" is used here. (Lit: getting caught in hailstorm while running away from the rain, meaning: getting caught in great peril while trying to avoid a smaller one)

2nd: Cooking borek and kisir (traditional Turkish foods) in London zone1; in the mood of a Geisha and while listening to Ibiza Global radio.. That´s what I call globalism!

3rd: The difference between porque and paraque, a similar mess in my life.(?)

4th: Good Morning What a lovely day, it makes one wish to jump into (daily)life.

5th: As you may know, I kinda became infamous in London for my azan reading(call to prayer) clock present I am keeping it silent this time (:nargile = smiley code)

Translations may need correcting.

Türkiye´ye geldiğimde senin oteline uğrasam sorun olur mu?

No; hanım is as common as bey. When referring to people with their names, you should use hanım or bey if you are not personally close with them.

A side note here: My etymology dcitionary shows that hanım, actually derives from "my han", probably referring to rulers wife. (Han = Khan, e.g. Genghis Khan). Interesting

Birlikte geçirdiğimiz anları özlüyorum, kendi başımıza olduklarımızı.

There isn´T such a suffix "-be" that I am aware of; It can be one of these two:

(Edit:  I seem to have forgotten bey, I realized after reading some other posts, yes bey is probably the most likely, it simply means mr)

"abi" = It means big brother. Friends also call each other abi. So it can be Hasan abi etc. maybe. (People refer to their friends as baba(father), hocam(my Hodga), hacı(hadji, pilgrim), müdür(executive?), usta(craftsman) etc. in slang usage.. Don´t get confused these do not retain their meanings as in the case with abi)

"be" = This is just some sort of exclamation like hey, yo, oi etc.. You can hear this even in some other Balkan countries.

Decided to end your suffering

Asker sevgilileri/eşleri/nişanlıları için rehber

1) Hiçbir şeye bel bağlamadan bir an önce beklemeye başlayın!

2)Dışarıdan kimsenin dediklerine kulak asmayın. Olumsuz yorumlar alacaksınız ve bu sizin için işleri daha da zorlaştıracaktır.

3)İnatçı ve başağrısı tavırlar sergilediğinde, muhtemelen kötü bir gün geçirdiğini ve sizden uzak kalmanın onun için de zor olduğunu kendinize hatırlatın. Kendi kendine söylenmesine izin verin, üstünüze alınmayın.

4) Moraliniz kötü olduğunda kendinizi mükafatlandırın.

Newer, romantic, folk, about long distance love.. No I don´t think there are many . Don´t you think it´s too specific? This kinda reminded me of a caricature that I like, although has no relevance to the topic and foreigners will find it weird I can´t hold myself

"Coffee house for Transsexual Catholic brick oven bakers from Merzifon"

Facebook ve baban hakkında söylediklerini anlıyorum, sadece evlendiğini düşünmüştüm çünkü konuşmayalı çok uzun zaman oldu ama önemli değil.. Ben de hala bekarım Ben de seni unutmadım, arada sırada seni düşünüyorum ve iyi olup olmadığını merak ediyorum. Hala beni düşündüğünün için mutlu oldum, herkese özellikle annenle babana onları sevdiğimi ve özlediğimi ilet. Evinizdeyken beni çok iyi misafir etmişlerdi ve bu güzel hatıralar sonsuza dek aklımda olacak. Lütfen bağlantımızı kaybetmeyelim, arkadaş kalmamızı istiyorum. Kendine iyi bak.

Sen bizden vazgeçeli uzun süre oldu. Şimdi artık benim de vazgeçme zamanım geldi. Benim istediğim şeyi sen bana veremiyorsun. Ve ilgi de göstermiyorsun. Bir kişinin kaybı diğerinin kazancıdır. Ben ve benim sevgim olmadan dünyanın nasıl olduğunu ve başka bir kadının sana neler verip veremeyeceğini öğrenmen lazım.

"I am used to losing."

May as well mean I am used to defeat or I am used to losses..

I guess you deserve to be praised a little Well here goes: Yes, only "birazdan/yakında" would be an issue, those other things I´ve mentioned are somewhat cosmetic details. it´s perfectly understandable, keep up the good work .

Doesn´t make sense to me. I think asking that person to rephrase it would be much better than taking wild guesses. It can be "gider ki" or "giderken"..

I don´t think I can explain it qute well, olur could be used too. It kinda adds the meaning of "would" there. I tried to come up with examples but it´s a subtle detail, I couldn´t.

Yep, using "geliyorum" there would not be wrong. It´s very similar to using pr. continous instead of using future tense in English, e.g. "I am coming there in two months".

It´s not a very good translation. Here goes:

Ankara´daki kanada konsolosluğu başvurunu(zu) teslim aldı ve işlemlere başladı. Fakat herhangi bir cevap almamızın en az 3-4 ayı bulacağına eminim.

Remove that (zu) if you are talking with a 2nd person you are familiar with.

Soon <-> birazdan is a little off here. Birazdan does not cover all meanings of soon, it´s more like "in a moment", you can use it for a few minutes or maybe for a few hours. So this translation would mean s/he is on her way or getting off the plane atm. "Yakında" would be more suitable.

Yakında arkadaşımla Türkiye´ye geleceğim. Seni tekrar görmek iyi olurdu. Bu sene ne planların var? (Or "bu sene planların ne")

Hiç ilgi ya da beğeni yok. Seni kişisel olarak etkileyen bir şey olmadığı sürece umrunda değil. Üzücü olan ancak kaybedince değerini anlaman.

I see you´ve noticed I´ve come online Now that I can´t escape, here are a few more items:

(Note I translate all "your man" phrases as "him" since its literal translation "erkeğiniz" sounds too cheesy and macho in Turkish.)

6)Onu sevin, dürüst olun ve ona güven verin. Görevlendirildiğinde/konuşlandırıldığında geri dönebileceği birisine sahip olsun.

7) Belirli bir noktada; ya açıkça hayatınıza devam etmenizi ve onu beklememenizi söyleyerek ya da size uzaklaşarak kendisini geri çekmeyi deneyecektir. Bu bir tür olaylarla başedebilme ve kendini savunma mekanizmasıdır. Ondan ayrılmayın çünkü aslında yanında olmanızı istiyor(ve ihtiyacı var)

8) Uzun süreli olarak ayrı kaldığınızda bol bol mektup yazın. İlişkilerin anahtarının iletişim olduğunu unutmayın.

9) Kendisini önemli hissetmek istediğinden, asla çekinmeyin ve ona yaptığı işle ne kadar gurur duyduğunuzu söyleyin.

1 Arayacağını söylemesine rağmen arayamayabilir. Özellikle görev başında ise!

11)Geri veremeyeceğiniz bir uçak biletini almakta çok acele etmeyin!

Görüyorum ki unutmuşsun, herneyse.. 4. yıldönümü(müz) kutlu olsun.

Note: If this message is to the person you had your 4th anniversary with, remove the parantheses which will apply the meaning "our".

Bir IT şirketinin ofisinde çalışıyorum.

Notes:

1) "Bir" is needed there as the company is indefinite. Not using it would be kind asimilar to not using in English: I work in IT company = kinda weird.

2) "IT" will probably be understood but you could also use "bilişim".

3) I see this little mistake when translating present simple sentences such as "I work", "I live" etc. These have a connotation of "currently" to them and should be translated as continuos tense:

I live in İstanbul -> İstanbul´da yaşarım (will be understood but weird)

"İstanbul´da yaşıyorum" is correct here.

Media wars:

Translation: "Frauds in the Euro-Family"

Response: "Germans above All: Are Greeks worth our money"

And finally this clip from a German TV show: (Can´t include a screenshot here since it would probably be considered inappropriate)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvhOMaf8wBA&feature=player_embedded

I blame sinners and infidels!

The whole text is too long for me to translate without getting bored at once; as someone already started from the last part, here are some more:

12) Her dakikanızın kıymetini bilin. Her gününüzü sanki uzun bir müddet tekrar görüşemeyecekmiş gibi geçirin. Çünkü askerlikte her an her şey olabilir.

13)Bolca fotoğraf çektirin ki birbirinizin nasıl göründüğünü hatırlayabilesiniz.

14) Onu asla sivil erkeklerle kıyaslamaya kalkmayın. İptal olan planlar, beklenilen ama gelmeyen aramalar, kaçırılan doğumgünleri ve yıldönümleri, horlaması(en azından yanınızda uyuyor), arkadaşları ile daha fazla zaman geçirmesi gibi konularda kızma şansınız olmayacaktır.

15) Her şeye hep en iyi yanlarından bakmaya çalışın. Arkadaşlarınızın kaç tanesi; ilk karşılaşma, ilk buluşma ve ilk öpüşmeyi tekrar tekrar yaşama şansına sahip?

16) Asker eşi/sevgilisi/nişanlısı/annesi olmak çok zor bir durum. Ortalama sivil bir kadından çok daha fazla stres ve sıkıntı ile boğuşmak zorundasınız. Umudunuzu yitirmeyin.

Whoa, did you get married? You probably bought a house or something, much more plausible than you finding a man )

(Note: "evlenmek" = to marry but at the same time "ev" = house, thus it has a meaning of "getting a house". So here there is an attempt at a joke)

Ok probably this will be a weird post but anyway:

I have a stromfronter/white nationalist friend of mine who argues that the "blond stereotype" is a ZOG creation for demeaning white people. She says on, the contrary blondes have higher average iq, examples being Sharon Stone and Madonna(is she even real blonde?). Anyway; just wanted to share this point of view since the topic seemed kinda relevant

That -i there is not accusative but possesive, so it doesn´t affect if it´s subject or object. Consider "Annesini": (onun) annesi +(n) + i. First -i is not accusative here, seond -i is.

It may as well be subject suc as "(Onun)Kedisi kaçmış" = "His/her cat had ran away".

Btw that "Annenin çok iyi" is not correct. Could be one of these:

Your mother is fine = "Annen çok iyi"

His/her mother is fine = "Annesi çok iyi"

The thing that belongs to your mother is fine = "Anneninki çok iyi"

Considering the demographics of TLC, I can´t say I am surprised at the path this thread has taken But come on people, give her a break. First of all she is very young, you may not care but the editing shows that: 1)she is real 2)she is under considerable amount of peer pressure here.

I appreciate hearing Unorthodox thoughts once in a while. It was a fresh breeze ampngst the other few zillion posts with more or less the gist "Them backwards easterners did it again".

Not "I take" but "it should take". (Referring to the photo)

Seni bugün ya da pazar günü aramaya çalışacağım, söz veremem.

Aktarılacak miktar bu.

Kalbim senin için atmayı bıraksa umrunda olur muydu?

Gözlerim artık seni aramasa umrunda olur muydu?

Dudaklarım dudaklarınla buluşmasa umrunda olur muydu?

Etrafıma bir duvar örsem ve beni göremesen umrunda olur muydu?

Artık ben olmasam, gerçekten ne yapardın?

Is my attempt

There are tons of tutorials/videos showing how to do it in under 1 minute and in about 10 clicks, I think this may go a tad beyond dumbness (Blondness is a saving grace though so I´ll cut it here)

Anyway; if it is a terribly slow, gloomy, oriental/arabesque sounding song then it is probably "Ölürsem kabrime gelme istemem", sung by those I have mentioned in my previous posts and many others.

How about fizy? You can also use this service for searchin titles. (You can change your DNS to Open Google DNS or add its ip to your dns hosts file to be able to view youtube btw.)

http://fizy.com/s/12b8eu

The only "gelme istemem" I know is "Ölürsem kabrime gelme istemem" (If I die do not come to my grave, I don´t want it). A very old song, in the format gazel/uzun hava so I don´t really think this is what you are looking for but anyway, have a look:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0_4LGTEQqA;

if this is the correct one, it has been sung by many, most notably by arabesque singers Müslüm Gürses and İbrahim Tatlıses.

I have seen bashing of men who regard virginity as a quality many many times, it isn´t fun anymore. But something tells me this post may start off an interesting discussion. Let the flaming begin

I don´t know if translation requests belong under this thread, but anyway..Here is my attempt(I can´t translate poetically though):

We´ve become afraid of dreaming.

Such an irony that we try to grasp the whole sky with our hands

Calling each tear that drop, a shooting star which has been lost

We scream "don´t leave me!" at even  the tiniest of losses

Even at our friends whom we shared passionless lovemakings

Let it disappear for once

Then it´s permitted to do anything in order not to think of it again.

Not mentioning would be encouraging

Come, oh morning wind!

Or don´t

I´ve changed my mind.

Get the f*** off.

(Interesting )

Lots of misunderstandings in this thread.

"Geçmiş olsun" is in 3rd person, but that 3rd person is  "null subject"(gizli özne, hidden subject?)

Geçmiş olsun = may it have passed/gone away. (Whatever trouble, illness you had)

Here the null subject, the thing that is wished to have gone away is the illness or trouble, not the person who had it! Therefore it wouldn´t be "geçmiş ol", "geçmiş olsunlar" etc.

You could use one of these..

Etrafım aptallar tarafından sarılmış öyle değl mi?

Aptallar tarafından çevrelenmişim öyle değil mi?

No Si++, UEFA and CL matches. "İçtimai tv" usually broadcasts them. As for where I am from, I think my profile location is misleading. I am from Turkey.

Yes, they are mutually intelligible to a high degree. Azeri people watch Turkish tv shows and we watch football matches from Azeri tv when our tv´s have them encoded . The shift from Turkish to Azeri happens through eastern regions of Turkey as a natural vernocular shift, since there isn´t any detectable hard border between them this could be considered a language continuum. But there are some quirks, and they generally sound very funny to eachother

Well I would really like to say I learnt my lesson and it will not happen again but tbh. it is very hard to verify everything you post. Anyway; being an "Easterner" and classifying yourself under the  pronoun "we", you have all my sympathies

Yes we indeed have many stories like that, especially the notorious "X´s are actually Turks" (X: variable) claims etc. I know some of those are fantasies, a lot of those stories have to do with a failed imperial past and being an insignificant  3rd world country nowadays, but I just feel like defending when someone points it out anyway. That´s why I said don´t go there, because even if you tell the truth I will have to discuss and defend somehow

What does this whole thing have to do with my tendency of making up stories? Go to Google, type "Irish Ottoman", click the first result and you will see the text I´ve quoted. I didn´t make it up, yet is seems to be incorrect so thanks for the correction.

I find your remarks about making up fantasies distasteful, do not go there.

Hmm interesting. I had quoted that text from some blog. Thanks for the correction.

He is a common petty criminal (adi suçlu?), a pimp who supposedly beats and exploits women and that wouldn´t get him in the papers. Maybe a small report in the 3rd page or somehing. I think Dutch media emphasizes this because they let him out and because he poses a threat to tourists.

Well; the Turkishness of people who migrated from Turkey 5000 years ago is somewhat dubious

Here is some real connection between Irish & Turks though:

"In 1845, the onset of the Great Irish Famine resulted in over 1,000,000 deaths. Ottoman Sultan Abdülmecid declared his intention to send 10,000 sterling to Irish farmers but Queen Victoria requested that the Sultan send only 1,000 sterling, because she had sent only 2,000 sterling. The Sultan sent the 1,000 sterling but also secretly sent 3 ships full of food. The English courts tried to block the ships, but the food arrived Drogheda harbor and was left there by Ottoman Sailors.

Due to this the Irish people, especially those in Drogheda, are friendly to the Turks. This event led to the appearance of Ottoman symbols on Drogheda United’s emblem."

(Them stingy English lol)

Amblem of Drogheda United:

You have to know some colloquial Turkish to be able to understand this.

Direct translation: "What is the similarity of gas(petroleum) and people? Both are intolerable when watered down"

Sulu insan = "Person with water(lit.)" = obtrusive person who makes annoying jokes all the time.

(Terrible joke btw, so whoever wrote this has a good shot at being "sulu" himself )

Correct.. I have never heard the name "Inayat" btw..

Cevap vermem bu kadar uzun sürdüğü için üzgünüm, çeviri için yardıma ihtiyacım oldu.

Yaeh but I guess you never know.. Back several years ago when there were a lot of "aşiret" serials on tv I remember there were characters with this name, that´s when I first heard it. Some people might have been influenced and named their child "Baran". My concern is, why "Baran" when there is "Yağmur"? This is very sneaky and dangerous cultural reconstruction we are being put through :S

"Baran" is not Turkish, it´s Persian/Kurdish word. It probably should not be considered even as a loan word since it is not used commonly, but as a name only(Not very common as a name amongst Turks either). Use "yağmur" for rain, this too is used as a name.

No it doesn´t sounds correct. This is hard to explain but I´ll try:

In the first sentence the quotation defines the sub-clause boundaries so there is no problem. However in the second one; that "herhalde" which comes after the verb of the subclause "gittiğinizi", causes an ambiugity in the meaning. This probably has to do with the rule that Turkish sentences generally end with the verb, so that "gittiğinizi" is perceived as the end of the subclause. That "herhalde" is hanging in the air there, as if you tried to say "I probably thought you were gone" but that doesn´t sounds correct either ("Ben de beklemeyip gittiğinizi düşünmüştüm herhalde" would be correct in this case)

Anyway; just put that herhalde somewhere before the verb in the subclause. Like "Ben de herhalde beklemeyip gittiğinizi düşünmüştüm". Note that I am not sure if there is a general rule about this or anything., please correct me if I am wrong.

I find that wrong on many levels.

-We human beings operate by breaking up organic compounds for energy. Whatever you choose to eat will have to come from some other living being. Salep being a beautiful flower doesn´t put it above, say, potatoes or sheep.

-Discouraing salep consumption or trying to ban people from digging it is a non-solution. It is a very unrealistic but rather romantic idea, you may think people will care about it going extinct, and they should, but they won´t. There are many failed attempts at saving species with such methods, the problem is it is very hard to enforce these bans, we can´t.

-On the contrary; what will save salep is for it to be become a profitable agricultural product, thus consumption must increase. I remember hearing news about this, it´s on an experimental phase, being caried out by some universities at the moment. Once cheaper domestic salep enters the market wild salep digging won´t be profitable anymore. Not only that; but the species will be under human protection, even if wild salep dies of some other cause such as climactic changes, the species will live on.

There are many good examples, maybe the best one is safran(saffron?). Which was an endangered wild species but is being cultivated heavily now, and is thriving. One other species that needs to be produced domestically is Tunceli garlic, it´s endangered too.

Realistic > Romantic, Politically correct, do gooder

Dear TurkishSon..Please check your inbox, I had already replied to it.

What if people stop translating, because they feel bad about the things they translate and feel some sort of responsibility? You have to realize that translators here aren´t offering a professional service, many know a lot of horror stories that keep happening again and again.

I don´t know site´s policy on this issue but I would probably not translate a message which I think would pose serious danger, unless I am allowed to kindly voice my concerns.

mmm..Salep

It´s main ingredient is the floor of the roots(tubers) of a plant. You add it to hot milk(or water but milk tastes better and thicker) and some sugar too. There isn´t really a special occasion for drinking it, though it´s generally considered a winter drink.

Salep plant is some type of wild orchid, and has really beautiful purple flowers as far as I can remember. Back when I was a kid, we would go to the hills to dig salep with my grandma. Wow this made me feel nostalgic all of a sudden

Anyway bro, I shouldn´t praise the goal(?) an further, let me cut it here. As for the dance, yeah sure It ain´t Kasap (a local dance) or oriental hehe have you ever seen in Kasap that boys & girls dance together? We are dancing salsa, vals etc. those sorta classy dances.

Unfortunately that is terrible terrrible Turkish mutlu.. Açıyordun sounds weird there, maybe he mispelled "acıyordun".. That "şerepsiz" is probably şerefsiz but maybe sebepsiz? Who knows

My bet: For acıyorum: "You claimed you always pitied/felt sorry for, you bastard" ("Hani" gives the feeling of a unfulfilled condition, so obviously this claim was wrong)

For açıyorum: The same thing , just change pitied/felt sorry for with "opened it(something?)".

Quoting barefoot

 

Balkanlar´da 2009 yılın en iyi Arnavutluk´tan gelen şarkı

 Is this correct? I mean does it sound OK in Turkish? And if it´s not can someone help make it OK 

 

No it doesn´t sound ok

Can you clarify what you were trying to say? If it is "The best song of 2009 in the Balkans came from Albania" then "Balkanlarda 2009 yılının en iyi şarkısı Arnavuluk´tan çıktı/geldi." would be ok.

Just wanted to say that in the sentence "Ben ayrıldımya aga bütün resimlerini silmiş." , he may be referring to the recipient of the message as "aga", it´s a slang term which could be translated as "bro". So the rest of the message doesn´t have any clear indication of a he or she.

Hmm, I seem to have missed that. As far as I can tell there are people who would go to the far reaches of the universe for that (not intended against anyone specific, I don´t know anyone anyway)

Thanks for your opinions but I still don´t think there is any violation of privacy here. I am sure there already is a term for what I am going to say but I don´t know it: I believe it can not be considered a violation of privacy as long as the observer does not have any connection or specific interest in the observee. No one would be disturbed about this whole scanning issue if it was completely executed by a computer, because the observer, in this case the computer, would not be concerned about you. But obviously; image recognition software isn´t that mature as of now, thus there is need for human assistance. So the securtiy guard looks at the picture before his eyes, not really different than what the computer does, and tries to recognize shapes in it. To the observer it isn´t a naked body, it´s a mathematical entity, a bunch of pixels which need to be identified.

Let a program which fills a picture with random pixels run for an infinite amount of time; and some of its output will be your naked photos, of all sorts, some even naughtier than you can ever imagine. There will even be one that shows you riding a donkey on the top of Eiffel tower. It´s simply data.

Can somebody explain to me why this is different than, say, letting a doctor see your naked body?

Nahla: There is no such name that I know of.

Nihal: Originates from Persian so it doesn´t have a common daily meaning. A names dictionary says it means loved one.

Tuba: This is spelled "Tuğba". Arabic/Quranic origin, so it doesn´t have meaning in Turkish. Means a tree in paradise.

Filiz: Sprout, a young shoot of a plant.

Demir: Iron

Oğlu: Not a name by itself but a common part of surnames, means son of.  Demiroğlu = son of Demir etc.

Kaya ona inanıyor mu inanmıyor mu bilmiyorum. Bence çok inanmak istiyor ama aslında herşeyin yalan olduğunu biliyor. Eğer herşeyi denetlese Sıla´nın söylediklerinin yalan olduğunu kolayca görebilir. Ama denetlemiyor..

Bunu seninle(sizinle if respected) konuştu mu bilmiyorum. Seni(sizi) uyarmak istedim, bence büyük ihtimalle Sıla Kaya´yı kullanıyor. Kaya´nın kafası karışmış durumda, şu an iyi düşünemiyor. Sıla´nın gerçekte neler yaptığını görmek için belki biraz gözlerini(zi) açık tutmalısın(ız).

Could not translate the last sentence very good :S

Sıla bana kötü laflar etti. Hatta bağırmak için beni aradı. Ben ona hiç kötü bir şey söylemedim. Bence kızmasının nedeni yalanlarını öğrenmem. Banimle böyle konuşmaya hakkı yok, böyle konuşmasına izin verdiği için Kaya beni hayal kırıklığına uğrattı.

Beni çok gücendirdin, sanki ben online olduğumda hemen kapatıyorsun, eğer benimle konuşmak istemiyorsan lütfen söyle.

What a load of bs... Someone has to bring these Islamist crackheads to line. I am afraid with the way things are going now, these people will alienate themselves and agitate others more and more. When it all comes cracking down, the progressive and humanitarian Muslims, which I think are the only real Muslims anyway, will also be a target.

The keywords here are "gradual" and "self induced". I don´t think grabbing all those girls from their families and placing them in special facilities will create a healthier society, which is the only instantenous solution I can think of. In these kinda topics people always miss one point; "Töre" is a cultural, even national identity for those people. They cherish it, they don´t want you to meddle, intervention creates even more grief. They will have to grow out of it, gradually. I know you people are upset and concerned but do not lose your sleep over it, there is not much you can do. It will still be rampant by the end of your lifespan, I´m afraid.

In most cases it means, please, pretty please. It´s a slang word, somewhat masculine, you would not want to use it to someone you are not familiar with. In fact my advice would be do not use it, ever.

Dear foka; smiling is a gesture, a form of communication. When communicating; it isn´t about what you are trying to tell, lt´s about what the other party understands. When you say "Ana", a girls name, A Turkish person will hear "mother", and a Japanese person will hear "hole". Russians used to kiss on the lips for greeting, do you think that would be appropriate behaviour in, say USA?

Yeah I am somewhat exaggarating, I too think there is nothing wrong with smiling. However when surrounded by people who may think that is an "inviting" behaviour, I would rather be on the safe side.

Neden artık beni aramıyorsun ya da bana mesaj atmıyorsun? Bitti mi yoksa başka bir nedeni mi var? Eğer beni hala seviyorsan yaşananları unutup tekrar her şeyi yoluna koyabiliriz ve sıfırdan başlayabiliriz. Lütfen bana bir cevap ver, sorunun ne olduğunu ve ne yapmam gerektiğini bilmediğim için deliye dönmüş durumdayım.

When those oppressed girls grow up they give birth to and bring up people who keep opressing their own daughters. Nothing will change. My advice for our compassionate forumers is that they should divert their love and caring to some useful cause. Such as animals in poor condition, who are completely innocent and have no fault in the condition that they are in.

I doubt you can easily find a short term proper house for rent, and renting rooms isn´t common in Turkey. Your best bet would be small hotels etc. but I am not sure. Bumping for people who are more knowledgeable.

I don´t have the source for it but I remember reading Batman has the highest young women suicide rates in the world. Of course how many of those are real suicides and how many are forced suicides/honor killings, God knows.

Who would want to move to Turkey?

"iç" = inside, so içmek probably meant to take something inside at some point, of course throughout the centuries it has become to mean drink only. Anyway, yeah it´s kinda funny, at least my Azerbaijani friends told me they crack when they hear "sigara içmek"

I wish we used "tüttürmek" commonly for smoking, it is perfect. Fits with "tütün" also (tobacco)

I don´t know about that series in particular but I just searched  "Ezel English subtitles" in youtube and there seems to be some translations.

Very nice ikicihan, Are you a native speaker? And btw those are kinda weird yes but not illogical. For example:

"Açılan delikleri yeterince hızlı yamayamamaya bağlı olarak su alıp battılar"

"Benim emmeme ya da ememememe göre değişecek bir durum yok"

"Eğer bizimki esneyemeyense yandık!" (yeah weird , assume there are people who can yawn and who can not yawn gathered somewhere)

Yeah overall these are kinda weird..Still interesting though. "ememememe" lolz...

I have no idea tbh. As for the policemen, I think that blue paint around the word "polis" is semi-transparent or something.

Here are some others, not really long but with lots of suffixes. Feel free to dissect and understand them, it may be a good practice:

akışkanlaştırıcılık

tarafsızlaştırılmış

silikleştirilmeyenlerinden

esneyemeyense (longest palindromik word)
çiçekçiymişçesine (most ç letter)

sıkıntısızlaştırıcılığınızın (most ı letter)

didindirdiklerimizdendir (most d letter)

tattırttıktan (most t´s)

ememememe (longest with 2 letters)

yamayamamaya (longest with 3 letters)

mayalayamamamla(longest with 4 letters)

serserileşememişlerse (longest with every letter repeated at least once)

badanalayamayacaklardansalar (longest with only 1 vowel)

I found these photos posted on some forum to make fun of Turkish people, but I think there is nothing to be ashamed of in them some of them are hilarious

Eclipse in Antalya:

This one cracked me up:

I mean what the hell..Beating on metals is some kinda pagan tradition or something to make evil spirits go away, I can understand that but shooting at the sun?

Dear barba_mama. I see that you have not understood me even a tiny bit; I am not trying to blame Kurds for everything that goes wrong in Turkey. For example there are many bad traditions that live amongst Turks as well, such as first cousin marriages. I would not deny this, because this is the truth. What I have told about honor killings is also the truth. I don´t know how I can convince you that I am not trying to defame a certain group but simply telling the truth.

Is this to me? I don´t know who your are referring to but I have a single account. You can request from the admin to check my ip.

And why ad hominem at this point? Because what I have written is true, isn´t it?

Platschu, I can see 2 reasons for that:

1)If that person or her family is religious Muslims, Islam prohibits Muslim women marrying with non-Muslim husbands. But Muslim men can marry non muslim women.

2)The upbringing. You won´t see as many Turkish girls in bars, cafes etc. because of the conservative upbringing, even talking to foreign men may be regarded shameful. So foreign men will hardly have a possibilty to meet Turkish girls unless coworkers etc.

Vineyards, simply no. How would you define Turkish cultural identity? Just trace it back 50 years, 100 years, to the Ottomans, the whole Turchia/Alaturka stuff. It is a mix of Byzantine, Balkans and Turkmen nomads, which can be called Anatolian, but in now way Middle Eastern. The identity of Turks shares more in it with Greeks and Armenians than Kurds, you know this to be true. Greek music is closer to us than Kurdish music. We share the Mediterranean kitchen with Greeks and Armenians, contrary to dominantly animal/animal fat based Kurdish cuisine. Genetically again, we are closer to Balkans. You can set aside a Turk and Kurd more easily, because they have visible distinct physical characteristics: brachiosephalic vs dolicosephalic heads. Just google "Cranial index map", you won´t see a dramatic difference between Balkans and Central Turkey, but there is a definite edge in S.E. Turkey.We don´t even share the exact same faith; Kurds are dominantly shafi Muslims, there aren´t any Turks of shafi sect.

Conclusion: The identity known as "Turk" have in it very little from Kurds, or should I say "had". Now that our state has fallen under the rule of Kurd-Islam, a movement started by Said-i Kurdi 100 years ago, nurtured by F.Gulen and harbored by U.S.A and finally risen to power with AKP, the only way for us seems to be accepting Kurdification. This is very saddening, but I am speaking the truth and any sane person knows it. We have already lost and we are slowly dying while our culture is being replaced with something alien. 200 years from now on no one will remember there were once people known as Turks...

Dear original poster; DON´T!

-First of all this all sounds fishy. Lady in red is right, there aren´t even many waitresses in Turkey to being with. You should have noticed this if you have been to holiday in Turkey, but most such workers are uneducated young males(your to-be coworkers). Of whom many have the impression foreign women are loose and get by exploiting them (money, sex etc.) You wouldn´t be safe! Warning again: You wouldn´t be safe, fear the worst!

-Turkey is not Britain; we do not have immigrants who freely work in any field they want. Those few foreign people that work in Turkey are either language teachers or executives of foreign corporations etc. Unless that job offer somehow absolutely requires a foreign person this whole thing sounds really weird. Is it in one of those British / German ghettos(sites) in Turkey?

-Are you aware of the average and minimum salary gap between where you come and Turkey? Why would you want to have such a job and do you really think you can survive on it? If your answer is that you don´t care about the money, then simply don´t bother with a job, just come to holiday. Do not risk it.

Sorry for sounding pessimistic but please consider these.

Dear Platschu;

I know I am getting closer to being labeled as a racist by writing the same thing over and over but I can not stand this being called "Turkish". "Honor killings" and "female circumsicion" are Kurdish cultural phenomeons, not Turkish. You can look up Adıyaman (where this incident occured) and compare it with an ethnic map to see what I mean.

These things happen in Kurdish populated regions of Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Syria but very rarely if at all among Turks, Arabs and Persians. Type "Kurdish honour killing" in youtube for a sample that happened in Iraq, among Yazidis(Very very graphic, be warned)

I am respectful to cultures of people so I am not against these things as long as they do not affect or concern Turks, and as long as the yare not labeled "Turkish".

Dear smaragda; this is an acrostic text, just look at the capital letters. It spells Katerina & Burak. So when translated this won´t make much sense. We were talking about that in Turkish, kinda making fun. Sorry about that.

Lol; them our boys are working hard

İyi ki doğdun ve daha nice mutlu yıllara. (Not word by word but conveys the mneaning)

First of all; I am not claiming Turks are angels, we have murderers, rapists and thiefs amongst Turks as there are among every other nation out there. However; "honor killings" and "female circumsizion" are almost totally Kurdish phenomeons. These occur in the Kurdish populated regions of Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria; but not amongst Turks, Arabs or Persians. Let´s get this straight please.

And please; not the "my Kurdish(Persian, Turkish, German) friend" argument again. We call this "benim Kürt arkadaşlarım da var" argument and it is far older and tired PC bs than you can ever imagine.

If there are some individuals within a society that have the feature "X"; this doesn´t mean every single one of them have it. But it for sure means that "X" occurs among this society, to some degree. I can´t really understand why you come up with your Kurdish friend at this point, because if a few bad individuals can not account for every Kurd out there, neither a good one does.

As for "double standards", I have none of it. There is nothing wrong with stating the obvious. E.g. . Ever-increasing radicalism among Muslims is becoming a threat for the whole world. E.g. Neverending feudal Kurd-Islamist culture is getting out of hand in Turkey.

Btw.; just as I mentioned this news seems to have found its way to global media. Here; quoting a fellow Turkish Class site member on another thread:

"Have you heard that a Turkish girl was buried alive because she chatted with guys? How could their male relatives so cruel? "

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_45500

Put yourself in my shoes, and you might be able to understand why I am so much agitated, and so ashamed of getting belittled in a site that is supposed to teach my language.

I think conditions such as "elastic hymen" have disappeared from our gene pool through natural selection, as those poor girls with the genes were slaughtered for not being virgins. Let the Turkish culture run its course for a few millenia and there you go, %100 guaranteed virgins. (I might be joking )

Yeah but penetration of hymen is detectable by medical methods whereas experience is totally subjective, so tehre can´t be anything legal about it. Anyway; what good would it make to continue a marriage when people blame eachother for deception in the first night? To be honest I don´t see anything wrong with revoking such marriages.

My advice would be:

-Find a husband who isn´t concerned about these matters.

-Don´t lie about it to your future husband.

-Or simply keep your pants up, just in case.

The problem here, is there is no way to find out if a male is virgin or not. And this is not a fault of Turkish legal system but rather a condition that occured by God or nature, so I don´t think there is much that can be done.

As for this whole virginity stuff, I don´t think we even have to discuss this issue. Because when one thinks of the situation this law applies, if the person lied about their condition to their spouse, this is about trust rather than the hymen tissue.

Dear Trudy;

If you return and look at my post you will see that I haven´t used the word "Kurd" in it. Can you please explain why you thought I was implying they were Kurdish, rather than let´s say Laz, Zaza or Circassians?

Dear Elizabeth;

A serial killer or a psychopath can be called an animal, as it is personal urges or whatever, but personal. But this is not.

I am tired of listening to clueless people, generally in good faith though, telling this is related to education or economical levels, but in many situations this is proven wrong. There are organizations(NGO) that regard the feudal islamist lifestyle, töre, as their identity.(the Hezbollah/Kurd-Islam fraction) They even have weekly magazines. What would you think about a group of people who have enough economic power and ability to print a magazine, or read it; but yet support töre?

So no; this can not be regarded as an individual event.

I am no more shocked by honor killings, but this one seems to be an extreme case of inhumanity so it caught my eye. It will probably find its place in foreign media as "Turkish" honour killing anyway so here goes:

http://www.ntvmsnbc.com/id/25053450/

Medine Memi (16) who has been missing for 4 months, was found buried under the henhouse of her house. The autopsy indicates that she was alive and conscious at the time of burial. Father Ayhan Memi and grandfather Fethi Memi were taken under custody, they stated she might have had some male friends and they were discontent with it.

-Burying your daughter of 16 years old alive.

-Living, eating & sleeping in 5 meters radius of it for months.

Uhm; sorry I don´t want to be a prick but I hope this is not just another con attempt. 28 day applies only for some group of people. E.g. those who have worked abroad for several years. And people who were putting it off due to academic career etc. and are over a certain age limit. The second case requires a special permit law (Kısa dönem askerlik yasası which, to my knowledge, isn´t approved. Be careful!

Hmm; there is a dish called "Ezme" but it´s not cheese. I don´t know any cheese called "ezme" but can it be "ezine"? (Ezine peyniri)

What came to my head is a correct word-by-word translation. However "başına gelmek" has some special meaning. It means something happened to that person (not to his head). A foreigner may think this similar to "what came to my mind"(Having thought of an idea) and that would be wrong.

Uhm; a lot of mistakes there Mylo, I don´t know if you are a native speaker but I hope I am not offending you.

1) Ben yapabildim = "I was able to do it". There is no negative meaning or whatsoever here. Or nothing about "knowing to do". Probably the suffix -bil derives from the word bil-mek, but it now conveys the meaning "being able to" rather than knowing. "Hocanın sorusunu bir tek ben yapabildim" = "I was the only one who was able to solve teachers question"

2) The mistake I see here(in this topic) is that many will think "yapabilirdi" has some kind of negative meaning, but that isn´t always the case. It depends on the context.

Let´s consider this one:

"Eskiden tüm bu işleri tek bir adam yapabilirdi" = "Back in the old days a single man could do all of this work". Negative meaning? No

or this one "O kadar güçlü bir adamdı ki her istediğini yapabilirdi" -> "He had so much strength that he could do whatever he wanted" (Doesn´t convey he didn´t do some of those things)

Maybe you shouldn´t think of it as a concrete word as "yapabilirdi". For example first consider "yapardı" (without -bil suffix) and work on the Story mode tense(?Geçmiş zamanın hikayesi) and maybe you can have a more clear understanding.

Oh dear God! Just when I thought nothing could surprise me anymore...

We have to know what OP was really trying to say:

case 1:Simply asking what that person tries to say.

Are you trying to say that I am stingy? = "Benim cimri olduğumu mu söylemeye çalışıyorsun?"

case 2:

Person A has accused person B for being stingy in the past. When A does something stingy himself, B strikes back.

"and you say that I´m stingy?" (look at yourself, you are more stingy)

= Bir de bana mı cimri diyorsun?, Bir de benim cimri olduğumu söylersin, Bir de bana cimri dersin etc., I am sure there are more & better ways to tell the same thing.

Hmm word order should be "1999´dan beri burada çalışıyorum" if you want to emphasize the place, "buarada". If you want to emphasize since 1999, "1999´dan beri" should be placed before the verb. Placement before the verb gives emphasize, both are correct though.

"Burada 1999´dan beri çalışıyorum". Also

"Burada 1999´dan bu yana çalışıyorum"

I think those are 3 separate verbs there. Sanmam, inanamam, olmaz. "I don´th think so, I wouldn´t believe it, it can´t be". ( I don´T know the song btw. so I hope those lyrics are correct)

"çekmek, çekinmek, çekilmek, çektirmek"

There actually shouldn´t be much of a problem here since some of those suffixes have a meaning attached to them. You don´t have to memorize each as if they are completely different words.

-in (as in çek+in) = generally means you perform it on self. E.g. döv = beat, dövün = beat yourself in sorrow, lament or giy = wear something giyin = getting dressed

-il (çek + il) = passive. E.g. dök = to pour dökül = to be poured, to be spilled.

-tir(çek + tir) = effective. E.g dur = stop, dur+dur = to make something stop

there is also

-iş (çekişmek for example) = conveys the meaning that the action is done together with someone. again döv = beat, dövüşmek = to fight with someone.

Note that you shouldn´t try and make up words since there may be situations that these don´t apply (passive and effective always applies I guess) but you may be able to guess the meaning when you see these suffixes.

"I want you to sit there".I know it´s kinda confusing since one would expect a noun there, e.g. "Orada oturmanı isterim". But this is correct too, as "otur" is imperative and imperatives apply to 2nd person.

I want to sit there would be "Orada oturmak/oturmayı isterim".

Btw, "otur" may also mean live/settle. E.g. I want you to live at that house/at that city.

How do you do man, how´s the weather there? We haven´t been able to keep in touch, how did that Ford business of yours turn out? I am in Germany at my uncle´s, we came for holiday. Oh well we have the money and the opportunity (He´s joking here, kinda snobby) We will go to Paris in 2-3 days, hahaha how I am bragging.

It can´t be called excluding but think about it from my perspective. I am a Turkish person, by mind and by blood. I haven´t seen or heard of any honur killings/töre suicides in my family or in my neighborhood or in my city or in my region, ever. I don´t even know how that whole stuff works, it´s completely alien to us. Now, why would I want to be associated with that?

Anyway, just don´t mind me. I am very agitated about this topic and I could go on for days :S

I didn´t expect that.

Hmm; then I guess even that one requires some cultural background or we have incompatible sense of humour, sorry :S It is kinda making fun of the phrase(commonly said by cool men) "I work alone".  I feel terrible now thank you Reyhan

To some degree. First of all; this would help identify the problem correctly. Let me put it this way; is this a problem that occurs rarely and homogeniously amongst the whole Turkish population? Or is it a problem that occurs commonly among a certain closed community? Just look at those comments, people have no idea and they are bashing irrelevant stuff, laws, religion etc. The problem has to be correctly defined; no need for political correctness bs.

1st bubble:

"We have come to an agreement about topics such as Economic crisis, national security, Middle East, Global warming. No problem"

2nd bubble:

"But I still think my bodyguards would beat yours!"

It refers to the incident where Obama´s and RTE´s security guards had a quarrel in USA. And it kinda tries to emphasize RTE´s somewhat aggressive mood. Anyway; not funny to me at all and Salih Memecan isn´t really a good caricaturist.

There are 2 popular weekly caricature magazines in Turkey and many good caricaturists. The problem is most caricatures need a Turkish cultural background so foreigners(or Turkish people living abroad) would not find them funny. I´d still advise "Selçuk Erdem" though, here are some samples:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_fQUF2D9plk8/Rj3jCGroo0I/AAAAAAAAAAU/8Zv38LNmopo/s400/selcuk_erdem_zaman_makinesi.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_NziypqBRSXk/SUPiVyJEWnI/AAAAAAAAAtQ/_sWOq-aT7-A/s400/SelcukErdem%2520%28106%29.gif

http://resimler.ofpuf.org/data/media/28/SelcukErdem%2816%29.JPG

Move to a farm house and feed some sheep! We used to feed some, they are so friendly and cute animals. Of course it is kinda sad seeing them die, blood gushing out of their throat and whatnot..

A lot of Turkish children have some traumatic experience where they keep a small lamb for a year and befriend him, only to see it beheaded with ritual sacrifice. I used to think this was terrible but now I think it´s a great experience.

Hi, the problem is we don´t know the guy, whether he is a good person or not. But the thing we know is ALL the women that were conned thought their man was a genuine, loving, sweet person. My answer would be no, don´t send money.

I am calling all Dudu veterans to the topic!

That "imkansız" there doesn´t make much sense so I guess there is no need to overthink. Possible explanation:

It is a separate sentence on it´s own (missing a dot there) and probably has a contextual meaning. E.g:

-Hey I hear your heart´s closed for me!

-Her kapı... .... bla bla, imkansız. (Not possible!)

Doesn´t make much sense but this is the only explanation I could come up with Only the OP can know if it makes any sense.

As far as I know; ökse is used to make some kind of glue to catch little birds. It´s referring to that, being ensnared, caught etc.

Uhm it´s actually small intestines; not rectum nor bowels.

As for pork; I guess iit isn´t much different than beef nowadays. But there were some very important reasons why eating pork was discouraged. (in Islam and Judaism, earlier versions of Christanity probably had it to). Pigs have far more parasites and these parasites are deadlier compared to those found in sheep and cattle.

Taenia solium: This parasite starts its life inside a pigs muscle tissue. Unlike other taenias it can form cysts in eye, brain, heart, lungs muscles etc. some of which are deadly. Even when it doesn´t cause cysts and resides in the intestines, it has appendiges to grab which other taenia lack; thus again far more harmful.

Today pigs are fed in cleaner farms and they do not resort to eating feces. Also processed products (sausages etc.) are safe. So I guess it isn´t as bad as it was in the middle ages.

I have a confession to make about this topic. I am brought up as a Kemalist person myself and whenever I hear somebody badmouthing him I feel like bashing that persons head in. I don´t know why, the hate & anger seems just so natural to me at that moment. As if someone was attacking my family members or something.

Well there seems to be some kind of institution in EU about that. Here is a link about how Greeks got the rights for lokum and baklava, these are referred to as "traditional/national Greek foods" in booklets printed by EU.

http://yenisafak.com.tr/Gundem/Default.aspx?t=07.01.2009&i=161111

Lokum btw. is also referred as "Turkish delight", that is where that phrase originated from, or was. I am deeply saddened seeing stuff like this. :S

Uhm; and here is a link about how Yunanistan is Turkey´s largest baklava importer:

http://www.stargazete.com/ekonomi/baklava-ihrac-urunu-oldu-en-fazla-yunanlilar-istiyor-85387.htm

Some years ago there was a tv series called "Yabancı Damat" which was also dubbed and shown in Greece. The series was about some family from Antep, a place famous of its baklava and there was also some imagery. Anyway; I remember news about how Greeks were interested in baklava and how they were ordering tons of it from Turkey. I bet some of them didn´t even know their "national" dessert. just lol.

Let´s look at the facts:

-The name isn´t Greek.

-Not a common food in Greece. Compare it to Turkey where it´s not only very common but also a customary food (Twice a year in religious holidays etc.).

-Greece imports it from Turkey.

Yet still EU. tries to give the rights for the name to Greece. Wow talk about phil-Hellenism + anti-Turkism.

Üzgünüm tatlım bilgisayarım bozuldu ve mesajını çevirme fırsatı bulamadım. Telefon konuşması hakkında endişelenme, sorun yok. Neyin var? Neden öyle hissediyorsun? Umarım şimdi daha iyi hissediyorsundur. Bugünlerde seni çok özlüyorum.

Türkçe öğrenebildiniz mi bari 5 yılda?

I also agree there are similarities, what I object is Turks are thought of as converted Greeks while the truth is far from it. The main similarity comes from: